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# 5: Kirk Wiebe - Nsa, Whistle Blowing &…amp; thinthread / trailblazer

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Jerod and Sam speak with NSA whistle blower J. Kirk Wiebe. He helped create a program along with other NSA whistle-blowers that could have prevented 9/11 but was dropped in favor of mass surveillance. Mr. Wiebe's decision to push for an investigation into fraud, waste and abuse at the NSA through the Office of the Inspector General of the DoD lead to a 7 hour raid by the FBI.

This riveting conversation includes optimistic solutions, critical analysis of the mainstream media and so much more!

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